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< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To: anti-scrooge a.k.a Not fooled by Board
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

You asked how can the district improve. There are several ways: stop the nepotism - the Board members use their positions to give jobs within the school district to family members, friends and political allies, the Board members should make policies and let the administration run the district, the district should be hiring the best and the brightest not just people who have some connection to Board members, the Board should provide salaries and benefits that will attract and maintain the best and the brights, the Board should work to develop a working relationship with its employees and their unions, the Board should be willing to negotiate with the unions and not try to dictate the settlement, the Board shouldn't be disappointed that the UTEA didn't modify its position since the Board has stated that it will not modify its position, etc.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To BOE
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

Give the UTEA one week to accept your deal. If they don't, then pull it and start "negotiating" downward. You've already offered too much.

I can't believe that the teachers refused that deal, especially compared to the other towns in the county. What was the vote of the members on that deal?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >to A.K.A (from anti-scrooge)
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

You are right. Bigger issues at the heart of the District's goals remain to be addressed. Those changes can happen as more facts about "inside trading/hiring" become known. The negotiation as important as it is, is but a side show to the real fireworks to come.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Newark Teacher
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

Money is money. Don't complain, no one holds anyone accountable. Just show up and put your time in, they are going to pay you no matter what. Look at us.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

All those suggestions to the Board are dumb!!! It is a great way to destroy a district now in trouble. Do you people realize what this district would be like if all teachers did only what is required of them by law and contract. I am affraid that because of this unfortunate situation we are all about to find out. And there is nothing anyone can do about it.

You don't realize all that our wonderful teachers do that is not required of them. Well I think you are about to find out the hard way, and it will all be legal. Then you will really start to cry, but you will deserve what you get.

It's the same old story. You do not appreciate what you have until you don't have it any more.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Angry Parent
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

My gripe is not with individual teachers. I think that most would have accepted any reasonable offer. I am really ticked at the UTEA leaders. The BOE's offer is a good one. If it was voted on by the teachers, it would have passed. I don't think they ever got a chance to vote. They never even knew about it until Mr Panella posted it here.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To Blank (Could it be "deal with it")
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

We know already from last time. We know the students who need help after school, will not get any because the teachers will not stay. We know the students will experience a homework slowdown. We remember well when upper level stopped teaching and parents were advised that kids would have to learn algebra on their own (BM) yet teachers were not to busy to discuss job actions and Union issues in the class rooms. Perhaps the next time my contract isn't signed with the hospital we should take your lead. Let's see; Your IV is empty- sorry I'm off my shift.....What no 7am meds? Sorry, the next shift will have to cover you.

Wake up- the whole world, if they take pride in what they do, all work extra time in salaried postions. The saviors in this town are the elementary school teachers, most of whom are caring, compassionate and are outnumbered in votes. If you don't appreciate what you have than go...your attitude and anger won't be missed.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >to Panella
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

Why don't you take some of the overstuffed budget that you have for the administration and maintanance staffs and put it into your proposal to the UTEA?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Mike Panella
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

In some of me previous posts I have stated my position as far as responding to the posts on these threads. I use my name when I put something here and I will not respond to questions directed to me under a fake name. If someone has questions for me and is uncomfortable putting their real name on these threads, I can understand that. I can always be reached through the board office or feel free to e-mail me at PANELLA610@AOL.COM I will be happy to answer any questions related to negotiations or any other matters concerning our district when I know who I am talking to.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Mike Panella
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

In some of me previous posts I have stated my position as far as responding to the posts on these threads. I use my name when I put something here and I will not respond to questions directed to me under a fake name. If someone has questions for me and is uncomfortable putting their real name on these threads, I can understand that. I can always be reached through the board office or feel free to e-mail me at PANELLA610@AOL.COM I will be happy to answer any questions related to negotiations or any other matters concerning our district when I know who I am talking to.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Mike Panella
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

In some of me previous posts I have stated my position as far as responding to the posts on these threads. I use my name when I put something here and I will not respond to questions directed to me under a fake name. If someone has questions for me and is uncomfortable putting their real name on these threads, I can understand that. I can always be reached through the board office or feel free to e-mail me at PANELLA610@AOL.COM I will be happy to answer any questions related to negotiations or any other matters concerning our district when I know who I am talking to.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Mike Panella
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

In previous posts I have stated my position concerning these posts. When I post something on these threads I use my name and I will not respond to anyone who does not do the same. If someone has questions for me and is uncomfortable using their real name here, I can understand that. I can always be reached through the board office or feel free to e-mail me at PANELLA610@AOL.COM I will be happy to answer any questions about negotiations or other issues concerning our district.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >anti-scrooge
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

Mr. Panella:

Tough questions demand answers. Don't be shy. Deal with it. Get real.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To anti-scrooge
< Date: 07-Oct-99 >

I think that Mr. Panella has been very forthright in his posting information on localsource and in his press releases in the newspaper. What happened to Jackie Kleinstein? I haven't heard anything form her that makes any sense or that rings of any truth. Is she instead going to pull some job actions like some spoiled child who doesn't get her way?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 08-Oct-99 >

Mike--Is the BOE still considering spending $150,000 on the football field? YES or NO. If you do not answer the answer is probably YES.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Newark Teacher
< Date: 08-Oct-99 >

Well today is Friday, I got my money, and I did not teach anyone, anything. I am out of here until Monday. Have a good weekend Union "sellout" teachers.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >I Know
< Date: 08-Oct-99 >

This stuff about the BOE spending $150,000 is an irresponsible rumor circulated in a flyer by the UTEA attempting to discredit the BOE.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 08-Oct-99 >

TYPICAL UTEA BS TO CONFUSE THINGS!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 08-Oct-99 >

TYPICAL UTEA BS TO CONFUSE THINGS!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >teacher
< Date: 08-Oct-99 >

Jackie K. does not even read LocalSource. She's too busy doing the right thing for the U.T.E.A. Those of us that really know her know that she's a classy, tough lady who shows good judgment and does her jobs well.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Yeah Right!
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

And those of you who would speak honestly about her know she is a liar and a trouble maker who does not care about settling this contract. She cares about getting paid her 60K salary and running home to Morris County at 3PM

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

Those of you who call people names and refuse to give your own are cowards.

Local sourse is fun but thats about all. Those of you who read these posts and consider them as fact are foolish.

Mr. Panella is a big dissapointment for communicating over local source. The threads are only for BS artists (like me). They are not for township officials to use to communicate with taxpayers. What is becomming of Union?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

You are correct that the localsource is full of BS. But alot of people use this forum to spread lies and rumors about our town and our schools. I for one commend Mr. Panella for putting the truth here and for having the courage to use his own name, as the "COWARD" above choose not to do.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >AJ
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

Been reading the posts about the diff. from the BOE's offer and the UTEA's demands. Still feel that the offer is fair and in favor of the teachers but not to the point where I would think it outlandish to the taxpayers. What galls me is the fact that they do not think it is enough. It seems that other unions much larger then the UTEA (UAW) and other teachers unions would have been more then pleased with this offer. A lot of them got less and most had to offer something in return.

My problem is that nothing has been offered by the UTEA. We need to improve our district, just like the teachers want to improve their lot in life. We should be asking for more involvement, copays on insurance, extra periods etc... They bring NOTHING EXTRA to the table and then are outraged when the BOE refuses to budge? After making an offer above average for the state with NO extra effort on their part. This seems outrageous.

Wake up, union strength is not what it was. I have nothing against anyone of you personally. It just seems like this is becoming a joke. Put up or shut up. I am willing to accept the minor and temporary disruption if it means that we will get people in here that WANT to WORK for what is OFFERED. This is not a bottomless well, we have given you a fair deal, one that will probably cause our taxes to rise since we will not be getting 8 million dollars extra in state aid every year. I hope you have the nerve to strike so that it can be settled soon without all this petty crap (these and my posts included.)

In closing, forget the overall diff. in what is being offered and what is wanted. What is the diff. to an individual teacher per year? Is it tens, hundreds, or thousands of dollars? I think by my reckoning it is between tens and hundreds. Is this worth it? Why should we collectively pay more than what is fair? As always I look forward (still waiting) and hope I can receive a valid response on why the BOE is wrong and why the UTEA is right.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

go Mr. Panella!

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< From: >to ''Yeah Right"
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

You still can't your info. right can you? Wrong salary. Wrong county.

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< From: >
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

Yeah, go Mr. Panella-----somewhere else!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 09-Oct-99 >

Good for you AJ - I agree with you! And Mr. Panella, I applaud you for trying to spread your information to everyone in every possible manner. Keep up the good work! Don't let the UTEA wear you down as it seems they are trying to do. The only thing new they came to the table wiht was a request for a two year contract which is ludicrous! Don't back down BOE!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

Would a 10 year conreact be better? No matter what the UTEA proposed, you BOE shills would criticize it.

If parents and taxpayers had a clue they would be thankfull to the UTEA. Could you imagine what the school system would be like if the politicions and the political appointments were permitted to do as they please.

My kid is a UTEA member. She has some connections and knows what is going on in the schools. Those of you who are sincere and not BOE shills would be shocked at what goes on. Thank goodness for the UTEA.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

Re the football field issue- The UTEA flyer stated, and this is exact. ------------------------------------------------------

BOE looking to resurface football field-used for 5 or 6 games. Cost-$150,000*

*What we need to settle the contract!

------------------------------------------------------- I think it is still under consideration but the BOE will not admit it. They will brobably wait untill next year because the UTEA made the situation public.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >AJ
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

To blank: Why do you not let us in on your "secrets" that your kid tells you. Still seems like no one can dispute the facts as they stand. Keep posting innuendoes and we will continue to point out their lack of merit.

BTW what is it that the UTEA does? This is a valid question, I have my impression (not all bad) but what is your thoughts? What do they do to keep the system fair as you imply?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

To AJ

Why should I risk my daughters job just to satisfy you.

Go to meetings. Read minutes. Check who makes how much money. Not salary. Extras. You pretend to be interested but you want others to take risks for you. Dig a little.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To Blank
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

Seems like you and your kid kissed some butt to get the job and now you question what is going on? C'mon tell us or keep quiet. You are worse than those who commit the injustices you talk about. Don't you think you have a duty to report any wrongdoing? If you don't, don't complain.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

If I were to report anything it would not be on localsourse.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 10-Oct-99 >

Then don't complain on Localsourse, either. Who should you report it to? Go do it.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >to Panella
< Date: 11-Oct-99 >

Remember, you started negotiating on this thread. Now you want to change the rules. Is this what you did in negotiations? No wonder you can't get a settlement.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 11-Oct-99 >

Yeah Panella is a shop steward somewhere for some union. I wonder how they feel about how he is conducting himself on the other side. I wonder what his union would do if they were treated like he is treating the UTEA.

He is just like most labor union people. Out for himself and the political cronies who put him where he is.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >A Friend
< Date: 11-Oct-99 >

You people have so much to say to Mr. Panella why don't you e-mail him as he suggested. Oh never mind, that would mean identifying yourself and you don'ty want that, do you? He uses his name when he posted BOE information and I don't think it's too much to ask for you to do the same. By the way, what rules did he change??

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Observer
< Date: 11-Oct-99 >

I thought that Panella was reporting to the people he represents - the taxpayers.

If JK can report to her members, why can't Panella report to the taxpayers?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 11-Oct-99 >

PLAIN AND SIMPLE...FOR ALL OF YOU THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE UTEA DOES NOT SETTLE WITH THE BOE.......

MONEY TALKS!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Jim D
< Date: 12-Oct-99 >

Sorry, but the BOE has never talked about resurfacing the football field. The surface there is fine. The rumor was just that. A rumor.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 12-Oct-99 >

Jim D Are you the Jim D that is the BOE Lawyer?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 12-Oct-99 >

JIM D. IS JIM D. THE BOE MEMBER-NOT LAWYER

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 12-Oct-99 >

I do not believe that another BOE member is communicating with the public over Localsource. This thread is only for BOE shills, UTEA shills and other BS artists.

This thread isfor fun. Not serious business. Jim D. If you are a BOE member, get your side to the table. And for a change try to have all your team memberss show up for a change.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 12-Oct-99 >

Sounds like the above was written by the the chief negotiator for the UTEA. Just look at the grammar.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 13-Oct-99 >

Sure. When you are losing an argument get personel. Some mentality.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 13-Oct-99 >

Jim D. cannot get the sides back to the table. He has a conflict and cannot be involved with negotiations. His wife is a teacher in Union.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >parent
< Date: 13-Oct-99 >

Please settle the contract. I would like to attend an open house. I don't care if it's in December. I am disappointed at the fact that the open house was postponed, Even so, I do understand the motivation. The UTEA wants the contract settled. To continue to conduct business as usual would only make the need to settle less of a pressing issue. So settle already! The differences are not that great. We've got to make our kids a priority in this town. If it means we need to spend a little more for teacher salaries then spend it already! Our per pupil costs are the lowest in the county as it is. Don't prolong this issue any longer by squabbling over the salary package. SETTLE THE CONTRACT! Believe me when I tell you that the teachers sense your NON-SUPPORT.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 13-Oct-99 >

job action....NO HOMEWORK!!!

Ha! Ha!

settle now BOE!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 13-Oct-99 >

You've got it backwards. Settle now UTEA. The BOE has offered a most reasonable deal. The onus is on the UTEA to settle, not the BOE.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 13-Oct-99 >

Until this point there have been no job actions. The BOE has my $$$$$$$ in the bank. I should have it in the bank. The teacher next door to me needs it to pay her bills. We are being forced into job actions.

Parents I suggest you get involved with your kids and do homework with them. None will be assigned until the contract is settled. We tried. We have been patient.

Who knows what will be next. We do not enjoy this. We have no choice.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 14-Oct-99 >

You do have a choice.

Tell the UTEA leadership that you will not do job actions.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 14-Oct-99 >

my house is up for sale

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 14-Oct-99 >

To taxpayer2

If you know anything about how the BOE runs the schools, you made a good move. It's over!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >tired parent
< Date: 14-Oct-99 >

What are we into the no homework job action already? Pretty early in the year this time around. When do we start the no teaching action, again. They saved that one for exams last time around. Parents of HS jrs. keep a close watch. This could effect your childs GPA.

To every kind, caring professional teacher that is still available before and after school, you are to be commended. To the others that are not offering help, homework, or responding to parental requests this will get you no where and less support from the public. Schedule a rally, picket each and every am/pm. You'll get attention, news coverage and you won't be affecting children. And to the HS- stop using board time, paper and copy machines on school time to run off Union business.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Parent
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

They can't possibly be using BOE copiers for UTEA business! Or can they?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >parent
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

I personally have had enough! As the teacher's pins state: SETTLE NOW!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >anti-scrooge
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

Show respect and teach your kids to do the same.

Teachers are the bedrock. Support and honor them.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

What the heck does all the above gibberish mean? SETTLE NOW? On what terms?

UTEA SETTLE NOW! THE BOE DEAL IS BETTER THAN YOU WOULD GET ON THE OUTSIDE.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

I have already pulled my child out of Union schools. These teachers are prima donnas. Go out in the real world. I'm sick of your crying. If you want to strike then strike. It's time to retest teachers and do away with tenure.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

To: Blank

The BOE does not run the schools. The BOE sets goals and standards and makes policy. Ted J. runs the schools via the rest of the administration. For instance; the test book fiasco is Ted's problem. How to deal with Ted is the BOE responsibility.

But I agree with you that the schools are not run well. Just put the responsibility in the right place.

I think that the BOE should write Ted J a letter of reprimand (regarding the test book fiasco)and start building his file for the next time his contract comes up.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 15-Oct-99 >

To the poster who said teachers should picket, rally each am & pm etc. Why? What does the BOE care. They just laugh at us and keep our money in the bank. It is sad to say but they will not laugh at the homework job action. They will probably get angry. I am alo angry that they have my money in the bank.

No we will not strike until the BOE imposes a contract. That will finish the school system.

This pattern that has been established by the Board every three years will probably encourage some of the younger teachers to leave. You may say no problem but you are wrong. We lost some to better paying districts after last year. Be carefull. Many taxpayers think they are easy to replace. We are getting a reputation that will seriously hurt us.

I can hear some of you already. "Let them leave." Good!" Etc. As I said before, be careful. A system in serious decline is difficult or impossible to turn around. Look at some of the towns around us.

Lets forget this silly power struggle and begin working together again. If we are so close to a settlement, lets get it done. Both sides should go back to the table and be willing to give a little. Even better--both sides should agree to binding arbitration to settle this thing. Does anyone agree with me? Please respond.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 16-Oct-99 >

Your money? Last time I looked you get all your money from me and my fellow taxpayers. It is our money, and unless you are willing to accept the terms of the overly generous offer of the BOE, it will stay my money.

Oh, and if you really think you can do better somewhere else, please leave. We really won't miss you as much as you think.

By the way the best paying districts are Newark and Plainfield.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >You're wrong
< Date: 16-Oct-99 >

Try Livingston, Millburn, and Westfield. Their scale is higher than ours.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 16-Oct-99 >

Yes, and so is the scale of the cost of their homes and their average annual household income. I'm sure if the fine people of Union made anywhere close to the amounts made by the residents of Livingston, Millburn and Westfield, they'd have no problem whatsoever in upping the salary scale. But they do not, and they cannot.

There are myriad reasons why the structure of tenure has developed and why merit pay is discouraged. The reasons all come forth from the fact that public schools cannot be separated from politics. But one of the unfortunate ramifications of this is that it DOESN'T "pay" to invest significantly more in teacher salaries, because there are absolutely no assurances that such an investment will yield a commensurate improvement in results.

I don't have an answer to this problem, and I'm not pretending to. In fact, I don't even know which side is more in the "right." But I do think that teachers have to come to understand that for any given set of protections, there have to be trade-offs, and that the same inviable practices that you feel you need, also tend to lessen your ability to effectively ask for more.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 16-Oct-99 >

No homework did not force the BOE to settle last time, what makes the UTEA think it will make a difference this time. Same holds true for the Open House cancellation. When will the UTEA learn that they cannot force the BOE to do what they fell is not right. Instead of saying the BOE has given this town a bad rep concerning negotiations why not blame the UTEA for dragging out negotiations year after year. The UTEA is the unreasonable group expecting more than they deserve or the taxpayers of Union can afford. No homework will only drive the parents and the BOE further away from the teachers, not help resolve this. I would like commend the teachers who will not go along with this action, and there are many. It's just too bad they cannot force their leadership to present the proposal from the BOE to the full membership. All the teachers I know say it would pass overwhelmingly. It's the UTEA leadership living in another world, not the average teacher in Union.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 16-Oct-99 >

It's the UTEA/NJEA leadership living in another world, not the average teacher in Union.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 17-Oct-99 >

As usual Ray doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 17-Oct-99 >

Why didn't the UTEA negotiation team share the BOE's publid offer with the membership before it was made public? It would have been approved by a lot, and we would have all of this behind us.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 17-Oct-99 >

In order for the UTEA membership to be able to vote on a contract proposal, it has to be made in writing. My understanding is that it was not. There is a lot of talk in negotiations but an offer is not official until it is written. Of course the BOE leads everyone to believe that the offer was official.

Mr. Panella--Yes or No--Was the offer you published on Localsource an offical written proposal? If the answer is no, you misinformed the public when you published the offer.

Don't be surprised taxparents and parents. The BOE conducts business like this on a regular basis.

By the way. If Mr. Panella does not respond, we all know the answer is NO. We know he reads this junk.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

I just hope that the teachers that really care about our children will not comply with no homework action. This action is only hurting our children. The teachers that do comply in my opinion only care about 1 thing and that is not the best interest of the children. There are ways to work around this action. The children will have to make up this work sometime.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

Why is it that you need more than a press release, in writing, to be convinced the deal is real? If the UTEA leadership wanted to bring the deal to the membership and needed a written proposal, it could have asked Panella for a signed copy of the press release.

I suspect that the UTEA leadership did not want to do that because it does not really want to settle. It wants to continue to "fight" the BOE and justify its existence. It is also interesting that it did not need anything in writing to circulate a totally groundless rumor about renovating the football field.

This is a power trip for JK and her cronies, it is not service to the membership of the UTEA.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >member of the community
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

A copy of a press release signed by the president of the board does not constitute an official offer. Mr. Panella, was the offer published in the newspaper and here on local source ever offered to the U.T.E.A. negotiating team as a written offer?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

In order for the UTEA negotiating committee to bring to the membership an offer from the BOE, it must be an official offer---in writing. The UTEA never recieved a written proposal from the BOE. Maybe Mr. Panella did not realize this as he did not attend most of the meetings.

Mr. Panella please either verify this or state that it is untrue.

It is quite unfair to the UTEA membership for the BOE to offer its first official proposal over Localsource and in the newspaper.

I wonder how Mr. Panella's union would react to such a tactic. In fact I wonder how Mr. Panella would react himself since he is a shop steward for his union.

Perhaps he was tricked by the "movers and shakers" on the BOE.

Please respond Mr. Panella. Is the above true? If yes, did you realize it?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

In order for the UTEA negotiating committee to bring to the membership an offer from the BOE, it must be an official offer---in writing. The UTEA never recieved a written proposal from the BOE. Maybe Mr. Panella did not realize this as he did not attend most of the meetings.

Mr. Panella please either verify this or state that it is untrue.

It is quite unfair to the UTEA membership for the BOE to offer its first official proposal over Localsource and in the newspaper.

I wonder how Mr. Panella's union would react to such a tactic. In fact I wonder how Mr. Panella would react himself since he is a shop steward for his union.

Perhaps he was tricked by the "movers and shakers" on the BOE.

Please respond Mr. Panella. Is the above true? If yes, did you realize it?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

In order for the UTEA negotiating committee to bring to the membership an offer from the BOE, it must be an official offer---in writing. The UTEA never recieved a written proposal from the BOE. Maybe Mr. Panella did not realize this as he did not attend most of the meetings.

Mr. Panella please either verify this or state that it is untrue.

It is quite unfair to the UTEA membership for the BOE to offer its first official proposal over Localsource and in the newspaper.

I wonder how Mr. Panella's union would react to such a tactic. In fact I wonder how Mr. Panella would react himself since he is a shop steward for his union.

Perhaps he was tricked by the "movers and shakers" on the BOE.

Please respond Mr. Panella. Is the above true? If yes, did you realize it?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >another question for mr. Panella
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

Bottom line, Mike-how much money are we talking about? It amounts to pennies a day, doesn't it? And what is really more important, pennies and the power the BOE gets off on or getting the contract settled, the teachers settled down to teach and moving on to get some progress in this town in the schools.

The BOE and their friends raised much money at the Italian feast-what about a community wide effort to raise money for all the children in the public schools? You guys have the talent to do it-how about trying something positive for a change?

And Mike, now it is affecting your two kids, so let's move on before things get more and more ugly. Our town does not need this, and neither do the politicians.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

Mr. Panella----Your answer?????

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To Mr. Panella
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

WELL! WE'RE STILL WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

Blowing smoke again. Technical BS. An offer is verbally put on the table. It is either accepted or rejected - verbally. If the offer is accepted verbally then it is put into writing so there is no misunderstanding.

Think about it. If every every twist and turn regarding a proposal was put in writing each side during negotaions would require a secretary to type out every proposal. A rediculus proposition. I will say it again. The BOE does not negotiate with the local union. They negotiate with a representative from the NJEA. There is NO incentive for the union to settle until the BOE is ready to impose a contract. The last and best offer by the BOE must be presented and the raises are retroactive.

If the UTEA/NJEA thinks that they can squeeze a couple more dollars out of the BOE they have nothing to lose by draggin out the negotiations.

Ron Harvey will always have a bitter taste for the UNION BOE because of past negotiations.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >A Friend
< Date: 18-Oct-99 >

You people asking Mike Panella questions, obviously have not read his previous posts. He will not respond to nameless posters. If have legitimate questions and are not afraid to identify yourself you can e-mail him. He put his address here at least two times that I can remember. I for noe give him some credit for not allowing himself to get caught up in this BS. He put out the facts and invited anyone to contact him if they liked.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Obvious
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

What we have here is the UTEA in the person of JK trying to intimidate the town. If it is only "pennies a day" that separates the BOE public offer and the UTEA, why doesn't the UTEA accept it and demonstrate your concern for the children of the town? Show that you really care about the welfare of our kids.

You are so caught up in this power thing - the "fight" - that you have lost all perspective. You cannot be interested in the "pennies a day." You are only interested in demonstrating your power. Do us a favor and do it somewhere else.

But, not to worry, the UTEA leadership does not live in Union. It is obvious they don't care about our kids, only their own pocketbooks. After all, taxes in Morris and Hunterdon counties are not cheap.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Angry Parent
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

My son came home from school yesterday and told me that the teacher is not assigning homework, and she told the kids that was because the BOE hasn't settled the contract.

The teachers don't have to do this to our kids! They can get the sympathy of the parents by doing their job and caring about the future of our kids.

I will go over my son's in school assignents with him and try to do some "homework" with him, but not all parents have the time or the inclination to do the same. Homework is an important part of our kids education and a teacher that does not assign and correct homework is not doing her job.

Why is the UTEA taking their problem with the BOE out on our kids?

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< From: >Duh
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

They do it because their boorish behavior works. They know that the parents will get angry and and start screaming to the BOE for a settlement. Since the teachers don't have to answer to the parents, and the BOE does, the UTEA wants you to go to BOE meetings and demand that the contract be settled.

They are using our kids as "weapons" in their "fight" with the BOE. It sucks, is unprofessional, and shows their greed. Unfortunatly, like the behavior of a spoiled rotten kid, it often works.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To taxpayer2
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

What is the story with Ron Harvey and past negotiations?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

It is funny that so many of you BOE shills are interested in Ron Harvey negotiating for the teachers. He is well paid by NJEA but earns no more when negotiations drag on. It would be to his advantage to settle the contract.

This is not so with Bob Clark, the BOE negotiator. He earns over $200 per hour. The longer it takes, the more he makes. (Hey, I'm a poet.) He just drags it out. He is paid with taxpayer's money. Ron Harvey is paid by NJEA.

Ask your board members how much Clark has earned so far during this negotiation. He will earn another fortune during Mediation and Factfinding.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >anti-scrooge
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

Perhaps a few more parents will actually interact with their kids. What a concept!

Now see how much you need our precious teachers. Go ahead, pull out the books and see how easy it is.

Oh yeah, still wondering why BOE's Fargnoli was excised from the NYPD. Is the file still sealed? What a mystery!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Ralph
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

Ron Harvey goes back many years with the Union BOE. When Ron Harvey dug his heels in the first time the BOE called his bluff and went all the way. The next step would have been an imposed contract. Ron couldn't risk it so he compromised on the settlement.

The next time around Ron used the threat of a strike to avoid the BOE from going the distance. The BOE countered by getting substitutes at $150 per day to cover all classes and keep the schools open. Teachers do not get paid when they are on strike and when you put a pencil to it the BOE came out ahead if indeed a strike occurred. Ron did not like being put in that position either, so again the answer was compromise.

Thinking the BOE had softened Ron tried the strike thing the next time around and the BOE reacted the same as it did before. People who have been in the district many years will remember the lines of applicants in the administration building hoping the teachers would strike so that they would collect $150 per day.

Because the BOE had played hard ball to accomplish what should have been "negotiation in good faith" on the part of the UTEA/NJEA Ron Harvey will always come into Union with a "tough it out" attitude.

Of course, negotiations are the time that disgruntled teachers make their feelings be known. Their feelings may have nothing to do with how much they are getting paid but how unhappy they are about being in a profession they don't like in the first place. How some (and I emphasize some) teachers can not give homework because of the contract negotiations is pure extortion and expoitation and should not be tolerated.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Time to compromise
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

Parents need to tell both sides to compromise and settle now-the board is not saving us any money and the teachers are not helping the children with the no homework policy, so sit down and compromise now. Let the board and the UTEA do THEIR HOMEWORK and get this over with-the only losers are the taxpayers and the children if they don't. Panella knows they are fighting over pennies and he should tell us just how much is keeping them apart-he does not give that answer because he knows it is very little. It would be nice to have some leaders with vision for a change-we could progress so much faster.....right, Mike?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Smitty
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

Hey, I'm back.

I can't believe that some people actually believe that the UTEA negotiator is not paid with public money. A teacher in Union has no choice but to pay the dues from which the NJEA negotiator gets paid. To the extent that money is unavailable to the individual teacher for the necessities of life, it has to be replaced by money from the school district in the form of higher pay to the teacher. And the school district gets its money from where? You guessed it, from the public.

Anyone who thinks that the pay to the NJEA negotiator and the UTEA negotiating team does not come from the public should read any good Economics 101 text.

And, how much do the members of the UTEA negotiating team get paid? The BOE members don't get paid a dime.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

Me thinks that we are arguing with one person. No longer worth it. Bye.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >PTA Parent
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

Five of the nine BOE members do not currently have kids in the school district. Then why are they sitting on the Board? Let's replace them with concerned parents of our children. We need new and fresh people to run our district. We need to organize. We need to break the political machine. PTA parents unite for a better Union Township. Please respond.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

BOE Members don't get paid. Is that why they do not show up to negotiations sessions?

Yes UTEA negotiators get paid--with UTEA dues money. To call that taxpayer's money is about the dumbest thing that has been on this thread in weeks.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >hal
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

The hogs are still at it,they want every penny.Time to offer them what they are worth by their actions,less money

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

A good idea. Completly destroy the school system. The next week or two is very important. It's time for both sides to stop the crap and put this thing to rest. Both sides should start to consider the kids.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 19-Oct-99 >

As "Obvious" said above, the UTEA should be the ones to give in and stop being so stubborn. They should demonstrate just how much they really "care" about our children. If it is only pennies a day, i would rather see those pennies in my pocket where I can use the money to spend directly on my children (no, not candy, toys or other nonsense stuff but on fun educational things). At least I know that it will directly benefit my child since most of the budget money does go towards salaries. So again I say, UTEA give it up and settle! Homework or no homework, it's time you settled. Ron Harvey will drag it out as long as it takes to ensure that he comes out looking good.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To PTA Parent
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

There are only 2 board members with kids in our schools, Middlebrooks and Panella. Gilligan decided to send his daughter to a private high school. What does that tell you??

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >A Friend
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

At last nights BOE meeting Panella told parents to visit thier kids teachers anad ask them why they are not giving homework. He also suggested we call Jackie Kliestien UTEA president and express our displeasure. She can be reached at the high school library. I think it's time to put put some pressure on the UTEA. What they are doing is wrong and not good for our kids.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

If the UTEA want to get the parents on their side they should come out to all the PTA meetings and explain exactly what they want for their contract. Let the parents ask questions and suggestions. BUT DO NOT STOP GIVING HOMEWORK ESPECIALLY THE KIDS THAT NEED THE EXTRA WORK. If the UTEA was honest they would do this with no problem.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >sick of them
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

The teachers are cowards. Their holding our kids education as hostages. They should suspended with no pay if they aren't doing their jobs. Why didn't they negotiate this when we pay them to do nothing in the summer?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

Most teachers are upset about this. They would be happy to take the deal Panella posted.

Stop the nonsense!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >another frustrated parent
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

The UTEA is destroying our schools and most importantly playing with our children's education. I cannot believe that the teachers sit back and let these lunatics decide their fate. It is time our teachers stand up for themselves and tell Jackie and her crew where to go. Let the teachers of Union negotiate their contracts without the UTEA. The UTEA is turning the negotiations into a circus. Let them get rid of Jackie and company. Enough is enough already. Let the teachers get back to what they are paid to do and want to do "TEACH OUR CHILDREN"! Jackie take your crew and leave you are not wanted!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Parent
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

The grammer school teachers are doing a great job with the kids. I noticed, however once you get to middle school and the high school,that many of these teachers only seem to care about the contract and not our kids. I agree with the above poster in that the teachers who do not do their job should be suspended. This is the "future" they are teaching. The BOA should also get on the stick and settle this contract already.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Solution is simple!
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

If the teachers and UTEA are dug in with their demands, then give them whatever they want. Fund the contract increases by dropping the lessor important classes. Lets drop the entire elective part of the budget. This is always a few million dollars and it can easily fund the salary increases. Since these electives are not mandated by the state for graduating requirements, we don't really need them. Lets do away with the sports, music, art, theater, shop and other non academic type classes in the middleschools and high schools. Let's also do away with all after school activities and clubs. Any and all aspects of the budget that are not academically mandated by State law, get dumped.

There is to much bureaucracy in the management and instructional staff structure of the schools. If we lay off about 50 non academic subject teachers, coaches, advisors, etc., sufficient savings should be generated to fund the UTEA wish list now, and probably into several future contracts. The BOE can offset schedule impacts by doubling up on instructional hours and graduation credits in math, english, science, computers, as these are the areas of competence most needed in todays workforce. Reprioritize. In some cases, class sizes may increase, and a few new teachers may be required, but in balance, the staff will most likely be downsized after a reasonable and significant reshuffling.

It is time to make hard choices. It makes no sense to go through this nonsense every two or three years with the UTEA, and to drown the property owners in ever increasing local taxes. These teacher salary contracts are beginning to have a devaluation backlash on property values. If we can't maintain a diverse education at a reasonable expense that reflects the entire communities taxation threshold and ability to pay, then we just have to rewrite the budget in a more fundimental manner and tighten the BOE belt, just like homeowners do every day of the week. Let the UTEA reap what it has sown.

As to this homework nonsense, homework is a logical extension of the classroom lesson. It's part of the job. It is not an option. If any teacher purposely avoids assigning homework that would normally be assigned as part of the reasonable, customary, and usual practice, then that teacher is not doing their job. The BOE and principals need act like managers. When you have a troublesome employee, you give them verbal warning once, written warning on the second instance, and then fire their backsides on the third go round.

The solutions are simple!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

the fact gilligan sent his daughter to private school tells me he didn't want her to end up like his son. do you blame him?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >teacher
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

Stop assuming that we teachers can't think for ourselves and that we are somehow intimidated by Jackie Kleinstein. That's ridiculous. Jackie is our ELECTED representative. In a union, you SUPPORT the office of the elected representatives and you support job actions to show your unified strength. None of us -- including Jackie -- is thrilled with the need to perform job actions. But if the job actions get your attention, then maybe, just MAYBE, the importance of settling our contract in an expedient manner will be realized.

The board has not been truthful in regard to setting a timetable to complete contract negotiations. The board has also been aware of the no homework initiative, even though they acted surprise at the board meeting.

The more you trash the teachers, the tighter and more unified the teachers will become. Many of us are fed up. And it's sad to say, but the town will more likely lose its good teachers -- not the lousy ones -- if the contract situation and feet-dragging persist every time our contract comes up.

Hey, why don't you ask the board members which schools they represent? (Each board member serves as a liaison to a particular school.) Then ask them how often that board member has visited his/her particular school. A few board members (like Panella) visit regularly. But others are never seen in their schools. In other words, the same people who make decisions about the schools don't even know what's going on in the schools. Make sense???

Thank you, Jackie, and thank you, UTEA, for supporting me and for keeping on top of the critical issues that impact upon teachers and their students every day.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

While it is true that JK is your elected representative and you should support her actions there comes a time when you have to stand up for what you believe in and speak out against what you know is wrong. You are not required to have blind loyalty. Everyone in town knows how important homework is adn by not giving it you are hurting our children. Chances are they will never be able to make up what they lose because of this action. Stop the nonsense.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

The solutions are always simple when the one proposing them has no accountability.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

The solutions are always simple when the one proposing them has no accountability.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

Hurting children? While the Board keeps my $$$$$$$$ in the bank they are hurting my children.

Thank you JK and the rest of the ELECTED UTEA leadership for having the courage to stand up to the very political BOE. Of course we will continue to be unified.

If there was never a UTEA just think about what our working conditions would be like!

We could be making half of what we are know making and some of the taxpayers would still be crying.

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< From: >Re: Solution is Simple!
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

You know, in some sick way you make sense. If the teachers are demanding these raises that the taxpayers just can't afford, then maybe we should cut out all of the electives and then there would be more time during the day that the teachers would have to teach - especially if the teachers for these elective classes lose their jobs due to downsizing. That would mean more contact hours with the students for each and every teacher, meaning less prep time (leaving prep to be done at home at night). Sounds like a good solution to me. Then maybe our test scores would improve as a result.....

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

How many Union taxpayers have you ever heard say, "I can afford to pay more so the teachers can have a decent raise."

In some towns yes, but never in UNION.

And by the way BOE. Did you or did you not know about the "no homework" situation? I watched you last night and could not believe what I was seeing and hearing. I hope I get to see it again. It was better than the KING OF QUEENS.

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< From: >Teacher
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

To Blank:

In reference to your comment that "JK is your representative and you should support her actions" and "there comes a time when you should stand up for what you believe in" ...

The jobs actions are not Jackie's initiative. Our job actions are a UTEA initiative. We ALL agree to them. It's not a matter of blind loyalty. There's this confused idea out there that somehow the "Jackie and the Association" are making teachers perform job actions. The teachers ARE the association. The people involved in the job action ARE the UTEA. We're not two separate entities. No one is MAKING the teachers perform job actions. The teachers HAVE CHOSEN to do job actions as a unified body under the UTEA banner. While there are always a few disgruntled members of ANY union, most of us SUPPORT the job actions and we SUPPORT our union leadership.

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< From: >anti-scrooge
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

It's like the old expression:

"A fish stinks from its head."

Without leadership, the District will continue to flounder. Weak knees and correspondence school doctorates do not build strong school systems.

So let's review the timeline. TJ (Superintendent) gets his deal renewed at big bucks then thumbs his staff. That's a no class, economically and educationally impaired, me first attitude.

No original ideas, no new programs, test scores on the decline and insider hiring increasing. Wow. What a guy.

Please, fellow parents, wake up and scream.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >U.T.E.A. Member
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

Thank you, thank you, thank you, UTEA for working for me. I know that my working conditions, salary and benefits are good because of your hard work. I'm proud that we have paid elected officers and paid negotiators. People who don't work with 25 children at a time don't know how difficult it is. Eventhough you love it, it's still demanding and taxing. If it weren't for UTEA and NJEA we'd be working with no break for a pittance. We earn every penny we get. We make it look easy. That's why the public thinks that it's an easy job. I believe that our critics would feel different if they spent a day in our classrooms. American Education Week should be coming up. Come on in.

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< From: >Another U.T.E.A. Member
< Date: 20-Oct-99 >

I have always been proud to educate the children of Union Township and to impart to them the knowledge I hope will serve to better their futures. I am also proud to be a member of the UTEA, an organization that has fought hard over the years to make essential gains for our profession. The teachers are the UTEA and we elect the officers who represent us. I am thankful to our leadership who have diligently led the charge to protect our rights and terms of employment.

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< From: >Curious
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

This info is somewhere. What percentage of teachers live here in Union.

Question. Those that live elsewhere, ever complain about the cost of your taxes?

Question. What would you be willing to contribute more of in order to justify the raises you seek that are above the current cost of living?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

I don't buy any of the B.S. that the teachers are unified behing their leadership and support these job ations. I know alot of teachers in this town and the MAJORITY of them are not happy buy feel pressured to go along for fear of retribution from some of the more militant UTEA members. Some day there emerge a true leader for the UTEA and put a stop to this. For our childrens sake, I hope it happends soon!

By the way, I saw the BOE meeting Tuesday night as well and did not feel that the Board was surprised by the no homework action. Mr. Perkins seemed to have a prepared statement and Mr. Panella had said he recieved several phone calls about it the night before. They did say that the UTEA did not have the courtesy to notify them of the job action as they did with the Open House cancellations.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >to curious
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

Teachers a few years ago received a teachers roster with all the addresses

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< From: >A concerned parent
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

Please, please, please lock yourselves (BOE & UTEA) in a room somewhere and don't come out until there is a agreement. Keep this between the BOE & UTEA and not our children.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >to sick of them
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

I feel so sorry for you. You simply react to a situation with no fore thought whatsoever. Your remarks on 10/20/99 really highlights the ignorance that runs rampant by our citizens.

We have no leadership in our administration. We have no vision of the future.

You my friend allows them to sit back and really enjoy what they are doing to this town.

Do you think a boe that hires a coach Johnson, a proven racist, and defends the hiring cares about our kids.

No they care about themselves and the insiders that get good paying jobs.

You should be thankful for the utea. otherwise our schools would be down the loo

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To: to sick of them
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

I think that your last statement would make better sense if you would have said "You should be thankful for the teachers because the UTEA is sending our schools down the loo". If we could dedicate more of the budget to actually teaching our children that would enhance their learning- (such as supplying them with better learning tools, buildings that are in good repair and extra educational program) - our schools would be in better condition all around.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To: to sick of them
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

I think that your last statement would make better sense if you would have said "You should be thankful for the teachers because the UTEA is sending our schools down the loo". If we could dedicate more of the budget to actually teaching our children that would enhance their learning- (such as supplying them with better learning tools, buildings that are in good repair and extra educational program) - our schools would be in better condition all around.

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< From: >Let's see
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

The teachers' salaries are public information. Remember, last time Lenny Weiss published them. They should be published again - name by name.

I have two grandsons in schools in Union. I told my son that he and his wife should visit with the kids teachers and ask them just what is wrong with the deal Panella announced. Ask them what more they want and just how it will affect them individually. Finally, I suggested that he ask if "pennies a day" is worth sacrificing their professional integrity.

If every parent with kids in schools did that with every teacher in the schools we will find out a lot about the people teaching our kids, and it will give them an opportunity to explain what it is they are doing and how much they care about the kids they teach.

And, as Mr. Panella suggests, call Mrs. Kleinstein at the High School Library and ask her the same questions. Oh, and don't be afraid to tell her you don't appreciate the UTEA playing with our kids welfare for pennies a day - of for any price, for that matter.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 21-Oct-99 >

Also call the two members of the BOE and ask them why the UNION schools are not good enough for their children.

Parents-spend some time with your kids. Ask them what they studied in each subject. Work with them a little on a HW assignment you create. If they tell you there is no homework, and you let them go out, or turn on the tube you are not doing your job. Look at their notebooks. Spend some time with them on school work. You may enjoy it. For the most part they are great kids.

Do what you would do at your own job. If something is not being done, pick up the slack and do it. It would be a good lesson for your kids to see you in action.

Above all, stop crying. That is not a good lesson for your kids.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Parochial School Parent
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Get off the bit with the Board members who choose to send their kids to parochial schools.

First, they have obviously chosen to give their kids a values based education, something that is sorely missing in the public schools.

Second, they save the taxpayers money. They pay the same taxes as those who send their kids to the public schools and don't cost the taxpayers money. The town saves the amount of money it costs for it to educate the kids, while parochial school parents pay tuition.

I suppose you're going to tell me that I can't vote in school board elections because I don't send my kids to public schools. Continue treating us like second class citizens if you'd like. We're used to it, and it shows the total lack of class we've come to expect from some public school teachers on the issue of private/parochial schools.

I can also tell you that one of the real differences in private/public school education is the teachers' attitude. It is the key difference. Why do you suppose the schools are able to exist, when the public schools have tons more money do spend and much higher paid teachers?

The only requirement for membership on the Board of Education is that a person be a voter in the district. You are spending my money like a bunch of drunken sailors, I have a right to have a voice on the Board. So do all the others in our community that do not presently have kids in the schools.

By the way, the ONLY Board member not to have sent kids to the public schools in town is Dominick Fargnoli. He sent his only child to catholic school. Is that a sin?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

What about Gilligan. His daughter is not in the HS. His boys want to the HS. What is so wrong with the HS. If parents would take an interest in their children life and know what they are doing and who they are hanging out with and be involved with their children they will do well in any of our public schools. Parents must teach their children respect their elders and the BOE has to clean out the bad teachers, principals that are only their for the money, pension(and their are many).

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

I am very upset about this homework action. I have a child that is classified and really needs the extra work and for the the last 4 days DID NOT RECEIVE ANY HOMEWORK. Tell me now who is this action hurting. The Kids that really need the work are not getting it. THANKS UTEA

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >teacher
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

To Parochial School Parent: Everyone has a vested interest in the public schools, whether you have children who attend them or not. As for teachers' attitudes, I have known many, many parochial school teachers who are unhappy with low pay and working conditions. If you notice there is a huge turnaround in jobs in the parochial schools. Unless they are married to someone with deep pockets, most are simply biding their time until a better opportunity comes up. And when they are hired by a public school system, many are shocked to learn that their responsibilities are far greater. I know because I've "been there." Some teachers will return to the parochial schools for the lower pay because of the more relaxed working conditions.

Incidentally, many parochial schools use a "feel good" approach to assessing their students. Grades are inflated. We see this with virtually every parochial school student who transfers to the public school. Suddenly a bright "A/B" student becomes a "C/D" student because the expectations are higher. Why is this the case? Well, obviously, a parent would be more inclined to keep a child in a particular school if he or she came home with wonderful report cards. So parochial schools often do everything they can to keep tuition- paying students, even if it means inflating the grades. There are some exceptions, but parochial schools are not what they used to be.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Parochial School Parent
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Teacher, would you care to match college admissions with Seton Hall Prep, Delbarton, St. Peter's, Marist, Union Catholic, St. Joseph's, etc.? Forget Newark Academy, Pingry, and the rest of the private preps, they are so far ahead, it is pathetic. And I understand that many of their teachers are not even certified, nor were they even education majors. Their majors were in things like History, Math, Literature, English, French, Science, Biology, and other dumb things that don't prepare them for teaching - how awful.

If you are right, and the Catholic school teachers are so bad, then it supports the proposition that teachers don't really make a big difference. It is all in their attitude, and the attitude of the parents.

By the way, a friend told me that I was wrong about the public schools not having a values based education. The values they teach by example, the most effective way to teach, is that it is ok to deliberately turn your back on resonsibility as long as you do if for money. Not only be example, but take class time to tell the kids that you have no choice because the town won't pay attention. And also point out that teachers work harder than their parents and deserve more money. Some lessons.

I'll keep my kids in Catholic school, thank you, even with all the shortcomings.

A question for you: How many teachers in the Union schools presently have kids in the Union schools? With those who moved out - or never lived here - and those who send, or have sent, their kids to parochial/private schools? I'll bet there are not many.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

To the blank who said: "Parents must teach their children respect their elders and the BOE has to clean out the bad teachers, principals that are only their for the money, pension(and their are many)."

Elders need do things that earn respect, and haven't you heard? We have tenure laws. And bad attitude and greed are not in the contract.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Kasey
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Can someone answer.

A child asked their teacher why they were getting no homework. The teacher only showed the button - 'no contract - still teaching' No explantion, no it's not my choice (which I think they have a choice), nothing else except read my button.

What does that mean to a 4th grader?

Are they 'still working' if they allow 2 hours for the kids to do "homework" in school?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Tenure should be gone. They should not have job security like the rest of us hard workers that would also want a good raise.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >A very concerned parent
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

I am a parent of two children in the Union Public Schools. Our children are the innocent victims of the inability of both parties to reach an agreement on a contract. I believe that for too long now, the needs of the teachers and the administration have taken precedence over the educational needs and rights of our children. Our children are entitled to the best educatonal instruction, materials, and facilities this county has to offer. I believe that it is the moral and professional obligation of the teachers and administration to ensure that each child receives the best training possible. Unfortunately, this is not what I have most recently observed. Since school has started this year, I believe an unsatisfactory level of instruction has been delivered to our kids, as a direct result of the contractual disagreements between the UTEA and BOE.

This inferior educational instruction has manifested itself in the form of little or no real homework assignments, reduced classroom instruction, classroom periods used for study periods, and the list can go on -- whats next decorating halls with newspapers - or has this been instituted already?

My fear is that this unsatisfactory level of instruction and behavior will have a lasting adverse effect on our children. Some children are at a point that an interruption such as this may cause serious academic developmental deficiencies that would take more than the remaining school year to overcome. This in turn means a high risk for our children not being able to compete academically with their contemporaries on statewide-standardized achievement tests. (This can only adhere to our test scores dropping even further.)

I am a product of the UNION Public School System. When I attended union schools, I could honestly say that the Union schools were firt-rate and children received a good education. Today, the Union Public School falls very far from that title of distinction. The inability of the UTEA and BOE to amicably negotiate contracts has contributed significantly to the overall degradation of the Union Public Schools. As I recall, we were in the same predicament 3 years ago, and the pattern is repeating itself all over again this year. Is this what I should expect throughout my children's K-12 years in the Union Public Schools? If so, as a concerned parent, resident, and taxpayer I will not hesitate to take further steps to ensure my children receive the best possible education. Union Township is a wonderful town to live in and send our children to school. I'm not so sure anymore!!!

So I say to the UTEA and BOE to please reach an agreement for the sake of our children - If you find this is not possible - I suggest that you oust yourselves out because your not worthy of those positions and let's find good hard working honest people who care about our children and who can do the job. Stop pointing fingers at each other and start negotiating.

As a concerned parent I believe I should be entitled to the following: 1. An update or status of the contract negotiations. 2. Programs and activities that the Teachers and Administration plan to put in place once this is all said and done to aid any child that remains at an inability to achieve or fulfill his learning environment due to the actions of teachers today. (I would hate to see children cramped at a later date to make up for what teachers are letting them miss out today) -- 3. What steps are principal's taking to ensure actual instructions are taking place in the classroom. (If teachers are using classroom time for homework - when are they teaching?)

A very concerned union parent --

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >sick of them
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

You teachers are a joke! Parochial school students get better grades because of the way they are taught. Less kids per class teachers who give a damn. I dislike the fact we hired a racist coach as much as I dislike paying TJ $110,000 or whatever he's making. If I'm ignorant of anything it's allowing my one child his last yr. of jr. high before I get him out of the blackboard jungle. You sound like one of these idiots on 100 commitees accomplishing nothing. I've been in this town a long time and went from K-12 here and taught here. I quit teaching because of all the crap.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >The Broader Picture!
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

If I am not mistaken, the difference in the contract settlement is $150,000.(give or take) The BOE has proposed making improvements on the HS football field that would cost $100,000. Am I missing something here? Obviously its not about the money for the BOE.

Public schoolteachers in Union, with a masters degree and five years experience make under $40,000 a year. This is an entry level position for most other professionals with a Masters degree. This is why the standard of education will continue to fall all over the country and especially in Union. Many of the better teachers are forced to leave to make more money in other professions. Union will probably loose some more very good teachers at the end of this school year. Who is to balame?

IN A NUTSHELL Teaching is like a business, and like any business, if you want superior product or superior service you've got to pay for it. I think the teachers are 100% correct in this contract negotiation and should be admired for their professionalism throughout. (If anything they should be asking for for more money.) But thats my opinion.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Parochial Schools can pick and chose their students. They do not have to accept all who apply. Very disruptive students do not apply. I would love to see your Parochial school teachers teach some of the classes in Burnet, Kawameeh, or UHS.

Walk the halls at Burnet sometime. You will not believe what you see. It is a wonder that the public school teachers do so well considering what many parents are not doing with their children.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Why is it that the negative comments are usually aimed at the teachers' and support staffs' salaries. The average kindergarten assistant only earns a little over 11,000 a year! Poverty wages! Special Ed. teachers with a multitude of degrees and years of school are being contracted at about 31,000.........this is not fair.....their expertise is valuable to the students, and yet they make peanuts!

Meanwhile, back at the Board Office......the top Administrators are making exorbitant salaries! Look at the $$$$$for B. Lombardi! This was a set-up if ever there was one! Best qualified?.....been doing the job for the last few years?..just a change of title?.....same responsibilities? Then why the big bucks for B.L.?

Parents......look at their salaries......then rethink your opinions on the teaching and support staff! We are professionals, too! Teaching and caring for your children is a very important responsibility and we all take our jobs seriously!

NOW.........STOP AND THINK!......AND THINK!.......AND THEN? LET US KNOW HOW YOU FEEL! BACK US!........SO WE CAN GET THIS CONTRACT SETTLED! THANK YOU!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Let's do it
< Date: 22-Oct-99 >

Let's publish all of the teachers' and support staff salaries. They are public information. Then the public can judge whether they are overpaid, underpaid or paid just right. How about it Ms. Kleinstein, will you endorse the publication of the salaries, while you are arguing that they don't make enough?

Meanwhile, "the Broader Picture" says "The BOE has proposed making improvements on the HS football field that would cost $100,000."

Where do you get such nonsense? When did the BOE propose this? That rumor has absolutly no basis and is a pure fabrication of JK. It never happened. It also demonstrates how much stock you can put into what the UTEA says. NONE!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Even if
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

the board had allocated monies to sports programs and improvements..I have no problem with it. Listen to the greed factor spilling out. "Screw any expenditures that aren't raises for the teachers". Great attitude.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

Enough is enough. Get in the room and negotiate and stop all of this nonense, before parents support neither side.We pay all of your salaries, teachers, TJ, etc. You answer to us remember that! Stop playing your political games. You people are pathetic!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Ralph
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

The NJEA sends out their professional negotiators with their State wide agenda. If the BOE was negotiating solely with the UTEA the contract would have been settled by now.

The BOE is being made to go to the brink of imposing a contract before the NJEA will finally compromise.

The BOE can either cave-in or go to the limit before the NJEA will budge in the slightest. That is the situation and there is no amount of negotiation that will change it. Negotiation is not a word in the NJEA vocabulary unless it can be used against the BOE.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Been there;done that
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

Lived through a similar situation in another community and can testify that the above is true.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

Anybody see the Star Ledger article reporting that the NJEA leads the list of NJ Political Action Committees (PACS) making campaign donations to state candidates.

Now tell me again about how sainted our teachers and their union (UTEA) are. Anybody wanna buy a used pedestal?

You people in the UTEA better start getting some professional spin control added to your negotiating staff.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Not a kid anymore
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

Tenure seems to be a hard thing for some people to understand. It does not protect teachers who are incompetent it protects the kids from getting new teachers every time there is a change and a new BOE takes over. It keeps politics out of teacher hiring.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Roscoe
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

I lile the idea of publishing the salaries. Let's see them

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

Tenure also protects teachers. Short of breaking the law in some fashion, you do not here of many tenured teachers losing their jobs. (Thanks to those PAC contributions)

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

it has to do wiht how the money is divided not the fact that there is only pennies to be raised

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >How about making "NO HOMEWORK" backfire
< Date: 23-Oct-99 >

I for one am not too terribly upset by the no homework deal. I find that now my child has more time to study and work on school projects. This is actually improving my child's grades. So, instead of complaining about the job action parents, you can turn this into a positive experience by suggesting to your child that they spend the time on studying that they would normally spend on homework. I am also finding that my child is less stressed at spending too much time on homework and not having enough time to study. If we all encouraged more studying during this time, we might make the "job action" backfire on the UTEA and NJEA!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

PUBLISH ALL THE SALARIES.

Many hard working parents will be shocked to learn how much their kids' teachers make - for a 10 month job!

THE INFORMATION IS PUBLIC. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To above poster
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

Call the board of ed if you want to know how much your child's teacher makes. It's not secret. Or are you afraid to do so unless you are allowed to remain anonymous?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To above poster
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

Call the board of ed if you want to know how much your child's teacher makes. It's no secret. Or are you afraid to do so unless you are allowed to remain anonymous?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Teacher
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

To: Parochial School Parent Obviously you did not comprehend what I clearly stated. I said that there were some exceptions, but you apparently missed that point. You are WRONG about certification, however. Most parochial teachers are certified. Years ago they were not, but that is not the case now. In addition, your BETTER parochial schools (such as Seton Hall Prep) have staff paid at competitive wages.

In addition, MOST public school teachers in New Jersey double-majored, so they also have degrees in History, Math, Literature, English, French, Science, Biology, etc.

Why don't you do your homework before open your mouth? I realize that you feel you have a higher standard of values than your public school counterparts, but in reality, you're just another ignorant poster.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Parochial School Parent
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

Likewise. And you are the real live example of how not to win friends and influence people. You don't have the first clue on how to win friends for your cause. Do you think I will be at all sympathetic about spending my money to pay you, after posting that stuff?

Do you have statistics on how many teachers in Union have double majors?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >j
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

To Teacher

Speaking of homework,why don't you do your job and give some? Two majors, who cares if your not doing your job. Why would I care about your qualifacations? You are putting the hildren in the middle. So is the BOE but we don't pay them. They are volunteers. This is your job and you can call it what you will your striking against proper education.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Ray
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

You teachers make me sick. All you care about is your precious lives. Money, money, what about our children. Look what happened to me, I was a porduct of New Jersey schools. When will it stop?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

The same people that are complaining about teachers salaries today were comnplaining 30 years ago when I was making $7000 and had to work 3 jobs to pay my bills. Why do you get so upset when teachers want a reasonable raise but never say a word when administrators salaries are going through the roof? Isn't it true that the Supt. will be making $175,000 at the end of his new five year contract?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >wondering
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

Why would someone want to volunteer their services on the BOE? What is the motivating force?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Teacher
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

To Parochial School Parent:

No, I don't have statistics regarding a double major. It happens to be a requirement at the state institutions, however. Let me know when you fall off your high horse; then I'll be glad to share my opinions and ideas with you. (Oh, I forgot, you're really not interested. Never mind then.)

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >j
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

To wondering

They are wannabe politicians.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >j
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

To blank

I'm not mad that they want a raise. I find it incredible they think by not doing their job they'll get one. And by the way who do you think these administators are? EX TEACHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

instead of condeming the teachers why don't we parents look at the jobs that are created for 30 plus grand a year. do we really need all of the testing coordinators that the district has? do e really need all of the coaches and assistant this and thats in the administration bldg.. look at these salaries and then compare themn to a teacher's salary, one who works 10 months a year busting ...check into it thank you..

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 24-Oct-99 >

I for one am not too terribly upset by the no homework deal. I find that now my child has more time to study and work on school projects. This is actually improving my child's grades. So, parents - instead of complaining about the job action, you can turn this into a positive experience by suggesting to your child that they spend the time on studying that they would normally spend on homework. I am also finding that my child is less stressed at spending too much time on homework and not having enough time to study. If we all encouraged more studying during this time, we might make the "job action" backfire on the UTEA and NJEA!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Activist
< Date: 25-Oct-99 >

Do any of you know whay a REAL unified community would do? I for one would love to see this happen: A coalition of all of the PTA's in town,joined by ALL of the parents and children,organize a BOYCOTT of the schools until an agreement is reached.This is the ONLY action that would drum up enough attention in the media and the state BOE to initiate a settlement-no taking of sides,just a general BOYCOTT. The settlement would be made within 48 hours.Otherwise, this joke will go on through the holidays and into next spring.Imagine the negative press that both sides would have to endure-and,oh those empty classrooms.This is OUR town and OUR kids...let's take a stand!!!!!!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Ray Lehmann
< Date: 25-Oct-99 >

Post of Oct. 24 from "Ray" was not from me. Just clarifying in case anyone cared.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Unhappy Taxpayer
< Date: 26-Oct-99 >

Rumor-The HSPT blunder will cost the BOE about $40,000. The source of the rumor is not that good but who knows. They should admit the cost before the BOE meeting so the taxpayers don't have to squeez it out of them. Vote the bums out of office as soon as possible.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Teacher
< Date: 26-Oct-99 >

To Ray:

I knew it wasn't you. I could tell by the moronic responses of Other Ray. You have more savvy.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 26-Oct-99 >

Most teachers are not giving homework. Why don't we TRY to get this situation over with. The teachers say they will meet and try to resolve the issue. Why won't the board? My sons teacher says that the law requires the Board to negotiate but they will not. She does not give homework but she tells parents what to study with their children. She is a really good teacher that cares about the kids. I am affraid this is going to get worse. Thank goodness the teachers are still doing their jobs in the classrooms. I don't know much about the UTEA but I am a union (labor)man. My union would not be so patient.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >UTEA Member
< Date: 26-Oct-99 >

I wonder how "patient" Mike Panella's union would be.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Union parent
< Date: 26-Oct-99 >

We need to take back control of our schools. We need three non-political candidates to run for the School Board. Many of us are anxious for a change.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Observer
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

School Board candidates cannot get elected without encorsement of the Democratic political machine. The situation is hopeless. Almost every independent who ran was defeated. Why bother?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >union teacher
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

This process is killing us! Morale is low! This BOE does not care. Their pattern of abuse has gone on for years.

I am pleading to the PTA to get your best people to run for the board of education.

In 2 years we can run this board out of town!!!

Only then can we restore the school system to a level that will make us proud!!

PTA: GET YOUR PEOPLE ON THE BOARD. I WILL VOTE FOR THEM AND SO WILL EVERY RESIDENT TEACHER!

SO WILL YOUR PARENTS!!

ACT NOW TO SAVE YOUR SCHOOLS!!!!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >UTEA MEMBER
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

GO, PTA.........GO! WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT AND GET THESE POLITICAL PUPPETS OFF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION!

WE ARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN, THE BOARD IS OUT FOR THEMSELVES AND HOW MUCH INTEREST THEY CAN EARN ON OUR MONEY!

MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A GOOD LONG HARD LOOK AT THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SEATS......YOU WANT TO KNOW OUR SALARIES?....POST ALL THE SALARIES AT THE BOARD OFFICE, TOO!

BOB JERANEK SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE POSITION OF ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDED OF SCHOOLS IN CHARGE OF CURRICULUM, ETC.! B.L. IS NOT AND WAS NOT THE BEST CANDIDATE! THE DECISION MADE BY DRS. JAKUBOWSKI AND DR. ABBEY WAS ALREADY MADE BEFORE THE ANNOUNCEMENT!

VERNELL WRIGHT IS ALSO EXTREMELY WELL QUALIFIED AND SO IS MARY JANE BERGEN!

VOTERS.....WAKE UP.......CAN'T YOU SEE THE POLITICAL SET UP? YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE BLIND NOT TO!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

What is in the deal for the members of the BOE? They don't get paid. The interest earned on the money is taxpayer money, not theirs.

Did any of the teachers ever take a course in how local government works? The money they save is my money, not theirs.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

Where are you BOE shills? Is the $40,000 figure correct? Is it going to cost that much because of the HSPT blunder?? Why is there no answer? HELLO BOE SHILLS. WHERE ARE YOU?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

Our BOE invested the tax payers money for a period of time. How long a period? Is this the reason that they will not settle? Do they have access to the money if they settle with the UTEA in the next week? Could they be stalling until their investment pays off?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >BOE SHILL HERE
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

YOU SAID YOURSELF THAT YOUR SOURCE WAS NOT RELIABLE. WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD COST WOULD MAKE THAT TEST COST $40,000. THE ENTIRE TEST DOES NOT COST THAT MUCH. AS USUAL MORE BAD INFO, JUST LIKE THE RUMOR ABOUT THE $150,000 FOR THE FOOTBALL FIELD!

WHAT DO BOE MEMBERS GET BY SERVING, HOW ABOUT THE SATISFACTION THAT THEY ARE GIVING BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY, TRYING TO MAKE OUR SCHOOLS A BETTER PLACE FOR OUR CHILDREN TO LEARN AND GROW. SOME BOE MEMBERS HAVE ASPIRATIONS OF HIGHER OFFICE, THATS THE SAME WHEREVER YOU GO, BUT MOST JUST CARE ABOUT THEIR TOWN AND HOPE THEY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS. DO THEY MAKE MISTAKES, WE ALL DO IN LIFE, NOBODY'S PERFECT, BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE OUT THERE TRYING. NOT HIDING BEHIND A COMPUTER TRYING TO START TROUBLE WITH RUMOR AND INNUENDO. I GIVE THEM ALL ALOT OF CREDIT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN THEIR POSITIONS. YOU THINK YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB, TAKE THE TEACHERS ADVICE ABOVE AND RUN FOR OFFICE IN APRIL. MAKE A GOOD ENOUGH CASE AND PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR YOU.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >One who knows, I mean thinks, I mean pretends
< Date: 27-Oct-99 >

You forgot something. They get jobs for their family and friends. Yes and they get to go to Atlantic City at taxpayer's expense. They are there right know. (Maybe that is why there have been so few teacher bashing threads this week.)

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

Where do they find this stuff? $150,000 for the football field, $40,000 for the HSPT? Sounds like the UTEA misinformation campaign. Next thing you know, they'll be telling people that the homework action is really good for the kids and that it is out of concern for them that the teachers stopped giving homework.

STOP IT!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

The UTEA/NJEA has no incentive to settle. They will just continue to apply the pressure. The pressure will get even more intense as the BOE gets closer to imposing a contract. The UTEA/NJEA will not negotiate until the very end. The UTEA/NJEA got a decent offer. This offer will stand regardless of what happens and it will be retroactive. When the BOE gets to the point where they can impose a contract the NJEA/UTEA will present the offer to their membership for a vote. Until then the pressure will be increased and hopefully the BOE will give.

It is up to the parents and PTA to back off and allow the BOE to play this out. The contract will eventually be accepted by the UTEA/NJEA.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

To Teachers

Yeah the BOE gets jobs for their friends. So do politicians. Guess what kind of jobs. TEACHING you ungrateful ----. You make me laugh. Now your going to tell us were getting screwed. NO KIDDING. But you also are holding a screwdriver. And your holding it to close to our kids!!!!!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Tom
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

My family and I are relatively new to Union, and not as active as we would like. My son is a sophomore in Union HS. We have experienced some homework slowdown but not extreme. However we have just been informed that his interim grades have not been submitted by his teachers. As a result the parents should not expect them in the mail. I have spoken with the HS Office, Dr. Jakubowski's Office to express my concern. Unfortunately my wife had attempted to contact Mrs. Kleinstein but her secretary hung up on her.

This has an impact on my son's education. Maybe it is time for the BOE to consider issuing vouchers.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Tired Parent
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

Don't you all think this thread is getting somewhat out of hand? Let's all try to step back and be reasonable. I agree with parents/teachers stating that some cut back on homework is ok for the short term. My child also has some difficulty finding review and study time with a regular homework schedule. So we have used the last 2 weeks for additional review. However, this may be fine for elementary and middle school, but it is detrimental at HS level. If it in fact evolves into the job action it did last time, than there really was less teaching going on. Some HS teachers are already just assigning class reading/or dittos. This is the level that will be difficult to make up.I am also advised that the HS progress reports are to be turned into the Union and not released to the parents. Please advise if you have additional info. As far as voting out the BOE, I do not agree. At least I always get an answer when I call. How about the UTEA voting out JK. Most of these job actions have come under her reign, and I very rarely can catch her in and never has she returned a call. I simply do not believe she is negotiating in the teachers best interest. She has a large following at the HS, and obviously they are the largest voting block but I believe her popularity is diminished in the lower levels. Many parents I know do back thier teachers, but not thier choice of job actions. Thats where all this anger comes in. You are not gaining support, only losing and I understand the PTA and everyone else involved advised JK it would be a bad PR decision. She looked them in the eye and shrugged her shoulders. Thirteen sessions and 9 months was reasonable.It was time to arbitrate.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >TAXPAYER2
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

PTA GET YOUR PEOPLE TO RUN FOR THE BOE!!!!!!

ONLY THEN CAN WE BRING THIS TOWN BACK FROM ITS SLIDE!!!!!

OUR BOE IS FILLED WITH HACKS THAT DON'T GIVE TWO ----- ABOUT THIS SCHOOL SYSTEM AND YOUR KIDS.

I LIVE IN TOWN I WILL BE SENDING MINE TO OUR SCHOOLS!!!!!!

GET YOUR PEOPLE ON THE BOE AND ALL LOCAL UTEA MEMBERS WILL GET OUT THE VOTE FOR YOU.

CALL THE BOE,TELL THEM WE WANT TO GIVE HOMEWORK!!!!

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< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Taxpayer2
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

Most of the Clerks and Secetaries in the Bd of Ed Building and all the schools are Ex PTA people,why would they want to run for the Board if they move into paying jobs

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Taxpayer2
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

I am flattered that I get that kind of reaction from "TAXPAYER2" and "Taxpayer2". The lower case letters mean that "TAXPAYER2" has gotten back partial control.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Angry Parent
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

I hear that Jackie Kleinstein lives in a very large house in Morris county, and drives a very expensive luxury car.

The UTEA action committee chair lives in a large house in Hunterdon county.

These are people who say they want more, and are willing to hurt our kids to make the point. They don't care about our kids. They don't care about our town.

Refusing to give homework accomplishes nothing good, for the UTEA or for our kids.

The board of ed offered a lot more than I get at my job. What was wrong with it, that the teachers did not accept it?

Every parent who cares about her kids should call Jackie Kleinstein at the High School. Ask her if she enjoyed the drive in from Morris County, and then ask her what is wrong with the deal posted here.

Do it! And let her know you don't appreciate her and her members messing with your kids heads. They are hurting our kids, and I am not going to stand by and let it happen.

If the secretary hangs up on you, call again, and again, until she talks to you.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >a FED up parent...
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

We read with interest the post from "a very concerned parent" earlier in this thread. Like many here on this chat, we have children in the Union school system and are fed up with the garbage that has been going on for the past few weeks between the BOE and UTEA as it did 2-3 years ago..remember?...bulletin boards covered with newspaper?...what was the deal on that?...over not wanting to switch to an HMO?..many, if not most people pay a part of their own health coverage: what makes the teachers in this town think that they are ABOVE anything like that..but that was last contract. We will not get involved in what the teachers are arguing for...9 credits versus 6, money )1/10 of 1%)....whatever. How can they even consider themselves to be "professionals" if they are NOT acting in a professional manner? How would they have felt if when THEY were going to college for their degrees (Jakobowwowski is not included in this--mail order doctorate degrees don't count) if the TEACHERS professors had decided to did exactly what they are doing now? What would happen to a lot of us if WE decided to NOT do our jobs 100%? There was another post (activist?...) that suggested that as concerned parents, we should take our children OUT of school and boycott the school system completely. No students?..no reason to teach (which the teachers seem to have NO problem with) and therefore, SHOULD NOT be paid. The problem with this plan is that many parents rely on the school system as babysitter since many households have to have two people working. Teachers in this town should not hold their heads up very high when the test scores come out -- which btw have been dropping. I downloaded the Union Township Report Card from a NJ State website... very interesting stuff about AVERAGE salary of UNION teacher vs average for state: 4-5K higher). When my daughter once told her math teacher she didn't understand the whole chapter they were working on, the teacher told her 'thats okay: we're starting a new chapter tomorrow'. A lot of good that did her when going through the HSPT and tasking her finals. . THIS year's math teacher told the students "don't even bother DOING your homework--I'm not going to check it anyway and we're not going to be doing much work anyway". So, this is professionalism at its best?...Ha.Is this another kind of 'vacation' while at work? It would serve the teachers right if the same thing Reagan did with the air traffic controllers--fire them all-- and hire freash, new, DEDICATED teachers right out of school...maybe a little time off WITHOUT pay would wake them up. Obviously, this is NOT all teachers who are like this, but enough of them ARE. A lot of them care only about TWO days a month the 15th and 30th---paydays.Why should my children have to suffer a less than adequate education? IfWhy should they get 100% salary for a 50% workday?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >one who knows
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

I heard that the HS teachers turned the progress reports into the UTEA instead of the office. I also heard that they were written up by the BOE. Official reprimands in their files and threat of more discipline if they are not turned in soon. It's about time the BOE gets tough with these spoiled brats that call themselves teachers. Lets revoke some tenure or better yet fire the non-tenured that participated in this job action.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >YOUR childs teacher
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

To a FED up parent--You are correct I care about the 15th and the 30th (paydays). But that is not all I care about. I care about two other things. JULY AND AUGUST

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

How interesting!!! Early this week there has been no teacher bashing or UTEA bashing on this thread. Could this be because all of the "bashers" were at the NJ School Boards Convention in Atlantic City--at taxpayers expense. The Convention (or should I say vacation at taxpayer's expense) is over. The teacher bashing and UTEA bashing has been resumed. How strange. I guess they could not get on line in AC. Perhaps they had more interesting things to do.

I hope all of you taxpayers who are so cheap are going to ask the BOE exactly how much they spent and what they spent it on. Food, booze, anything else?? Golf maybe.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

You were warned that things might get ugly. It has only just begun. Yeah, fire us all.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

Last year my daughter's homework check counted a great deal on her grade. I guess this year it doesn't count at all.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Still Wondering
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

What is this getting "ugly" about? As someone posted above, tell the community what is wrong with the deal that was offered. Perhaps if you can explain your case, you will win some friends.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To Taxpayer2
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

At one time there was a PTA member running for the BOE and she never made it. She ran two years in a row. Where was the UTEA then? Stop promising to back the PTA up if you really don't mean it. The UTEA is spreading false information to the public because they have no other weapons to defend themselves. They are wrong in their job actions and in not accepting the BOE offer. UTEA - wake up! The parents are not supporing your job actions nor are they supportive of your not accepting the offer on the table.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >tired parent
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

same Utea member back on the thread threatening again. It's already gotten ugly. wake up. The teacher bashing resumed (read ALL oct posts) when word got out about the additional job actions. After teachers were repremanded today, many requested their progress reports back from JK. This is nonsense. But the same hardliners were gathering again today(hs copy room)with a vengence. This is not war and this is not a game. I will not allow my child to become a casuality again because of job actions. Parents will now be on the phone every minute with every principal and every board member, every day. And by the way, forget trying to influence taxpayers with your ridiculous ranting about AC/and the administ.What about your own teacher convention and your days off?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >a teacher
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

I pay my own expenses when I go to AC for the Convention. The taxpayers don't pay my bill. By the way-who won the golf match?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >tired parent
< Date: 28-Oct-99 >

you may pay your own expenses IF you go but I pay for your day off. I knew the AC answer would be your only answer. I'll say one thing for you, at least your consistant. You never address a real issue. Where are your progress reports today??

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

so when will the new UTEA $2,000 billboard be put up?

Your up late tonight? Oh right No teaching tomorrow... just pull out another movie.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE BOARD OF ED OFFER?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >FED up parent....
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

to: "YOUR childs teacher"...We assume that you are a teacher by saying the other two things you care about are July and August. We have long thought about what has happened to the real reason that people become teachers or doctors. When we were in school there were dedicated teachers who lived to educate the students in their classrooms..because they wanted to be a part of educating young minds. Doctors became doctors to heal the sick and help the infirm. Doctors, like (some) teachers no longer seem to have these fine ideals. The reason now to become a teacher/ doctor is how much money can you make. While making absolutely NO claim to knowing everything that's going on with this rediculous contract negotiation business, as parents we hear AND see enough to know that even when GM negotiates a contract with auto workers, there has to be some give-back. We understand that part of the problem is a 1/10th of 1% money problem as well as the 'teachers what town to pay for 9 (NINE) masters degree credit as opposed to BOE offering 6 credits. Negotiation is a give and take process. We are sick and tired of our children becoming pawns in the UTEA/BOE chess game. We are tired of lack-luster, don't give a hoot attitude on the part of (some) teachers AND also on the part of the BOE, also. We realize it is NOT just the teachers who are at blame here. My children throughout their school years had some of the nicest teachers I could ask for, but now?---we have to wonder where the priorities lie. Maybe the collective parents of students in our school system SHOULD boycott the system. We have worked on both sides of the union/non-union fence. The union has no need to protect GOOD, productive workers---it protects the BAD worker. While watching a recent BOE meeting on the cable channel, we were impressed with Mr. Jakobowowski's academy award performance of not knowing that the teachers were NOT giving homework to students. Even more impressive was his stealth-like remark about sending 'inspectors'--not the NEXT day but the day after -- to the classrooms to see that students were getting homework. MEMO to Mr. J: the element of surprise is a key factor when you are trying to sneak up on someone or something. You DON'T have your arrival announced by a marching band preceding you. What was the point of giving those teachers advance warning?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Wondering
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Why won't the UTEA allow the rank and file members to vote on the last best offer of the Board of Education? Is it afraid the membership at large would approve it?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Give them an "F"
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

If the same teachers who didn't hand in their progress reports at the HS on time had a student who didn't turn in a project on time, they would give the student an "F" and tell the kid that he/she must learn to take responsibility for his/her actions. They would say something like "you should have thought of the consequences when you decided not to turn the project in."

Well, the teachers made a conscious decision not to turn in their projects when due. What better lesson to teach kids than to give the teachers an "F"? They, after all, must learn to take responsibility for their actions.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Unless your a teacher or a BOE member keep your mouths shut on this issue. You don't know what's really going on. Do all you parents really think it makes a difference whether your kids get homework or not? It's up to YOU and not the teachers if your kids get a good education! This is an easy way for the parents to pass the blame.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >To Ding Dong
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Hey Ding Dong, the last thing ANYONE tells me to do is to keep my mouth shut! My kids are getting hurt by this stupid behavior, and you want me to keep my mouth shut? Fat chance!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >A very concerned parent
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Parents -- we need to wake up - " VOUCHERS " are sounding better to me more and more each day.

I say we demand for those vouchers - and lets put our kids in private or in other town districts and let the UTEA and BOE keep fighting among themselves - and end up having no kids to teach.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >to the blank poster above (presumably a teacher)
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

If my children are getting an education from you, then I am really frightened for the quality of their education. WHEN USING THE WORD "YOUR, YOU SHOWED YOUR STUPIDITY! IT IS A CONTRACTION AS IN "YOU ARE" = "YOU'RE". Maybe you are one of the teachers who need the protection of the UTEA in order to maintain a job. That is what is wrong here - the good teachers would have nothing to worry about - because they are good. You, on the other hand, need a guaranteed job with the tenure that is so precious to you because you would never hold down a job out in the real world - not with your attitude and lack of good grammar.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Is it true...?
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Is it true that Ted Jakubowski went on strike, along with the rest of the teachers, during the 1970-71 school year?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

1--In order for the UTEA leadership to present a contract to the teachers for a vote, THE PROPOSAL HAS TO BE IN WRITING!! The first two times the BOE's proposal was written was when it appeared on "Localsource," and when it appeared in the Union Leader. I'll bet no BOE member ever told you that. There is still some confusion concerning that offer. Why? Because it was never a written proposal as it must be befor it goes to the teachers. Imagine what would happen if the teachers voted on an offer that was not in writing? We would probably hear from the BOE,"That was not the offer." "We didn't mean that." To avoid confusion and honest misunderstandings, the offer must be written. The teachers know how to negotiate. So does the BOE. KNOW IT ALL TAXPAYERS--STOP BUTTING IN.

2--Who really thinks that tenure only protects poor teachers, not good ones. If the person making that statement is serious, he doesn't have any idea what has become of Union. TENURE PROTECTS THE GOOD TEACHERS WHO ARE NOT POLITICAL APPOINTMENTS!!!!

3--The mediator offered two dates for the next meeting, Nov. 1 and Nov. 18. Why did the BOE sellect NOV.18? They probably have my money in a CD that matures in December or January. (I hope it doesn't mature in July or August.)

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Maybe the community in general needs a lesson as to what the true spirit of the labor movement in America is all about; the right for employees/employers to collecive bargain in good faith. Since this has clearly not been a part of the process for our Board of Education, it may be time for labor to take a stand and fight the good fight. Labor unite and do whatever has to be done to obtain what is just and equitable. I wholeheartedly support the leadership of the UTEA. The leadership and the rank and file are those who truly care about the future of the quality of education in this town. It is a sad commentary that many in the community do not see this to be the UTEA's primary goal. Already we are starting to see the flight of some of our most talented staff and administraters to positions in other districts. Union township's loss, their gain.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >------
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Is it true if the Bd and the teachers cannot reach a settlement that the Board can impose a contract on the Union by law

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Still wondering
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Why doesn't the UTEA allow the rank and file to vote on the last best offer of the Board of Education? Do they fear it would be accepted?

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >taxpayer2
< Date: 29-Oct-99 >

Yes it is true. There have been two imposed contracts in New Jersey. It takes time and money to wade though the process to get to an imposed contract. The UTEA/NJEA uses the time to pressure parents into forcing the BOE to cave-in to the UTEA/NJEA demands. When the BOE gets to that point the UTEA/NJEA will negotiate. They have nothing to lose by going to the limit. The BOE can not, by law, backdown from prior offers. If it imposes a contract it must be the last, best offer.

Again, the writer above (blank) provides mis-information about written vrs. verbal offers. A verbal offer must be verbally accepted before it is put into writing. It would be rediculus to believe that every proposed offer is in writing. If this were the case then the board and the UTEA/NJEA wouldn't have to meet face-to-face. They could do the whole process by letter.

I noticed the the NJEA is advertising on "JUNO" which is a free e'mail service.

On of the weapons of choice for parents is to advocate "choice" and "vouchers". The battle is the teachers contract. The war is "choice" and "vouchers". I may lose the battle but it is winning the war which is the true objective.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 30-Oct-99 >

In order to negotiate both parties have to sit down at the table. Check and see who has been present at negotiation mettings. Or rather, check and see who was absent!!!!

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >tired parent
< Date: 30-Oct-99 >

I agree with the above poster re; written offer. This is a direct quote and battle cry from JK. She has her members convinced that no written offer was made, when in fact with each verbal offer, if there is acceptance, than both sign off on a written offer which is than presented. JK never accepted, signed off hence her explanation of no written offer doesn't follow. This holding your money in the bank antic is old. This is the result of extended negotiations, nothing unusual. As the blank (UTEA) member stated above-to parents; "It's up to you and not your teachers if your kids get a good education" Obviously thats exactly what is now evident. You just made your own best case as to why your not supported since job actions. And understand one thing: It is not only the lack of homework that disturbs us, because we can take care of that, but it is well known that there is less and in some classes no TEACHING going on. - November 18 is fine for me. After nine months and 13 meetins what did you expect to happen. You need to take some pers. responsibility. These are your elected officers making decisions for you. There were cancellations, later meeting times and plenty of movement by UTEA over the summer regarding dates, and JK has admitted that. You obviously thought or were incorrectly advised that this would never get this far, but it has so now live with it. In the end I still believe that a majority of the lower level meaning elem and mid school) UTEA members, are doing thier jobs, but that the HS group out numbers and out votes the rest of them with regards to tactics. You have enough members to go out and picket every morning/and pm or have rallies, instead you chose in school actions.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >Student
< Date: 30-Oct-99 >

Is it OK if I turn my homework in late? I don't like my teacher. She is not giving me time to study in class.

Oh, wait, I don't have any homework. I forgot.

I don't know why the progress reports were late, but I guess that's OK, too. Besides, there was really little progress to report. There wasn't much classroom teaching going on this marking period, but, boy, did we learn a lot!

I figure it's OK to go to work and really not work. It's OK to disobey the rules and the boss, as long as it's to let them know I want more money, and as long as I don't think I will be held accountable for my actions.

Well, it's time for me to go hang out with my friends. We're going to make signs telling everyone how abused we are. It'll be fun. I can get back to school work later, if I feel like it.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 30-Oct-99 >

No teaching going on at UHS? That is a lie. There is so much BS on this thread. I'm finished reading it.

If there is no settlement soon we may start impacting the classroom. The interesting thing is that while Ted does care, the BOE does not. I feel sorry for him.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >
< Date: 30-Oct-99 >

Thee chair of the UTEA does not live in Hunterdon County. She lives in UNION and cares very much for the schools and the town.

< Subject: RE: Union Teacher’s Negotiations >
< From: >I know
< Date: 30-Oct-99 >

Actually, Jackie Kleinstein, the president of the UTEA, lives in Bernardsville, which is in Somerset County. The chairperson of the UTEA action committee lives in Hunterdon County.

You could look it up.